Into the Looking Glass, Part II (Let’s Try This Again)

Wow, our first two-part series! Into the Looking Glass continues this week with a greater focus on the art and business of photography. In episode 14, we ended up being pretty technology-heavy which is never the intent of our podcasts. And, as time ran out on us (yet we continued to blather on and on), we didn’t have time to address the other areas of where we have seen the business and the art of photography come from and where we see it going.

Rick's absinthe fountain that we discuss in the opening.

Every episode, we start with what we are drinking. Into the Looking Glass is no different! Rick refers to his homemade absinthe fountain and here it is.

Today, we try to right that wrong.

Business & Art as Seen Through the Looking Glass

So many topics and rants in today’s episode. From Rob bitching (again) about the cavalier approach that people have toward intellectual property (and the unintentional theft) to the value we place on the art we hang on our walls. From the bad signal-to-noise today to a great quote (well, “great” according to Rob):

Many of the pix out there on the internet are such a no-frills, in-your-face slam dunk of plastic sexiness that the creator with his camera seems not to be an inquisitive, interested gentleman, but more like a drunk at a bar sidling up to a hot chick and blurting out, ‘Wanna boff? (Joe McNally)

Also, by listening to this episode, you’ll hear a for-realz disagreement between Tony and Rob as to the role of the traditional business model vs. the idea that maybe it’s okay to let your work get stolen. Spoiler alert: Rob thinks that Tony is fucked up!

Today’s Photographer and Artist

Into the Looking Glass - Arthur Frellig

When talking about the Looking Glass and where photography has come from, you can't skip over Arthur Fellig (aka Weegee)

When talking about the Looking Glass and where photography has come from, you can’t skip over Arthur Fellig (aka Weegee)

Tony’s choice for photographer today is the New York City street photographer, Arthur Fellig. Also know as Weegee, he was known for start black and white crime photography. Don’t know him? We’re willing to bet that you know his work!

Our artist is Anna Mary Robertson Moses, much better known as the renowned  American folk artist Grandma Moses. Want to know our opinions about her? Make sure you listen to the show and leave us your comments. We have some listeners who have been fantastic about leaving comments – even though sometimes they disagree with what we’ve said – and we could not appreciate that more!

A final thought… There is no “X” in espresso!

Thanks for listening to Part II of Into the Looking Glass – don’t forget to leave us your comments!



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  1. rudeboy77-Peter April 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    Yes, I agree —you do own the snaps you have taken. But with the internet being the wild wild west –your snaps will always be borrowed . Unless you want to spend your days in The American court system , I don’t think there is anyway to protect your ownership. Plus there is not much Justice in the courts these days. Great Conversation Guys .

    • Rob April 15, 2012 at 9:57 am #

      Thanks, Peter!

      One of the biggest deterrents to filing an infringement suit is that it is a monumental undertaking. It has to be filed in a federal court, IP attorneys who are worth hiring are not cheap, it can take years to wind its way through the court and you need to have had your images registered with the US copyright office prior to publication (or within 3 months of publication).

      Now, that last part isn’t actually accurate. Absent a written transfer or a Work for Hire situation, the photographer has the copyright to the images and that alone is enough to file suit, but you’ll have virtually no luck in finding an attorney who will take the case.

      So, I don’t think it’s so much that there’s no justice, but rather access to the justice system is very tough. I suppose that you can argue that that is the same thing.

      Not a big deal for large entertainment corporations who have multiple IP attorneys on staff but for us regular folk, we will likely experience a lot more infringement than we will experience filing suits.

      Thanks for the kind words about the show and the comments on Twitter!

  2. rudeboy77-Peter April 23, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    Hi Guys,
    Just a quick comment- I was In Lancaster PA -Amish country- The Amish think it is a sin to have their Photo taken. I was in my car behind a Amish buggy with 2 Amish Children in the back seat facing the car and my camera . It would of made a great snap. I Just had a feeling it would be wrong to take the snap. At the time I did not know that taking any snap of the Amish people they would have to pray for forgiveness that THEY have sinned. I am happy I did not take the Photo. What do you guys think ?? Peter

  3. Rob April 24, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    I don’t know what the other guys think but, for me, it’s not a tough call. Unless there is a legitimate news story (and not some fluff piece about unicorns who shit rainbows), I will respect the traditions and philosophy of the culture or society that I’m visiting.

    I, like you, would be disappointed that I didn’t get the picture that I saw but I would also be far happier with myself for not having taken the shot.


  4. rudeboy77-Peter April 24, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    Thank You Rob

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